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When I shop for vintage clothes in New Haven, I shop at Fashionista.  And when I shop at Fashionista, I shop incognito:

Photo credit:  the elusive J.L.

This one is for you, mds.  And no, I’m not in town now—this was taken sometime back in April.

Two or three things for a lovely Friday in May.  One, this is a good debate on Afghanistan. I agree with much of it.  Two or three, the Slacktivist’s two-part discussion of the Proctor & Gamble Supports Satanism hoax is one of the most intriguing things I have read on the Internets in a very long time.  Here’s part one on the nonsense itself, and here’s part two on why people engage in it. It is not often that a couple of blog posts change my sense of how the world works, but these two seem like they’re doing it this week.  (Hat tip to Doctor Science, and I see that John Q. picked it up in his followup on agnotology.  Good to see the term “agnotology” getting so much play!  It’s much better than that “epidemic cloture” people were talking about.  I met Robert Proctor, who coined the word, a few times back when he taught at Penn State.  He worships Satan, of course, and because I am a follower of Moloch we had a great deal to talk about.  I’m only mentioning this openly, on a blog, because there aren’t enough Christians in the United States to make a difference.)

Oh, and one tiny extra added thing.  I don’t think Digby needed to to go to this length to reply to one of her totally-off-the-rails critics.  It was a great and decisive response, yes, but I don’t think the issue is whether people can have opinions about places they don’t live in.  It’s simply that there are some people out there who, when you say things like “this senator from Louisiana is bad,” or “the governor of South Carolina is a creep,” or “you need to go three blocks south and then make a left,” or “Africa is to the south of Europe,” will get all up in your grill about how you’re an elitist coastal snob who shouldn’t be so arrogant about the South and also you shouldn’t stereotype and dismiss an entire area of the country just because you live in one of those decadent out-of-touch chardonnay-sipping places like the West Coast or the Northeast or some kind of urban area.  It’s Mudcat Saunders Syndrome, and no, there is no cure—only reasonable accommodation.

Posted by on 05/07 at 10:48 AM
  1. My cousin, who worked for the American Conservative (Buchanan’s rag), loves to do this.  He told me that Mexican immigration was destroying the cultural fabric of New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado, and that there is relentless hostility to secularism in the “Heartland.” He’s lived his entire life in New Jersey, New York, and D.C; I don’t even think he’s visited much of the rest of the US.  I have actually lived in the Southwest and the “Heartland,” but he knew better because as a conservative, he has his finger on the pulse of Real America.

    Posted by  on  05/07  at  01:55 PM
  2. Going for the George Rekers look?  Does that mean you went to New Haven with the loving goal of trying to help the sinners at the Yale School of Drama?

    Posted by Gary Oxford  on  05/07  at  02:01 PM
  3. Yesterday a precipitous ~1,000 point drop in the Dow Jones average was triggered by a sudden plunge in the share price of Proctor & Gamble.

    Coincidence, or … Satan?

    How is it that every wacky take on the provenance of BHO has hit my email inbox a jillion times while this remarkable slacktivist piece sat quietly unread on the internets for almost two years?

    Posted by  on  05/07  at  02:27 PM
  4. digby: “politicians like Mary Landrieu are corrupt swine”

    The big Miss D. in da House, and rockin’ it southside style--a cup of chardonnay and courvosier and ...somethin’ somethin’.  Few of the HuffPo or d-kos regs--the sort of Rich Puchawlsky eco-crat-- dared to raise their voice about Landrieu or BP.

    Posted by Ezra Hound  on  05/07  at  03:28 PM
  5. I have actually lived in the Southwest and the “Heartland,” but he knew better because as a conservative, he has his finger on the pulse of Real America.

    What’s remarkable is that the guy who pulled this on Digby claims to be a fan of hers—demonstrating that hypersensitive Southocentrism, like that ignorant hick Elvis, is everywhere.

    Going for the George Rekers look?  Does that mean you went to New Haven with the loving goal of trying to help the sinners at the Yale School of Drama?

    I will need someone to help me carry my purchases from Fashionista, if that’s what you’re asking.

    Yesterday a precipitous ~1,000 point drop in the Dow Jones average was triggered by a sudden plunge in the share price of Proctor & Gamble.

    Coincidence, or … Satan?

    The Mighty Moloch has spoken.  Hear and repent!

    How is it that every wacky take on the provenance of BHO has hit my email inbox a jillion times while this remarkable slacktivist piece sat quietly unread on the internets for almost two years?

    I blame Rahm.

    Few of the HuffPo or d-kos regs--the sort of Rich Puchawlsky eco-crat-- dared to raise their voice about Landrieu or BP.

    Indeed, Puchalsky himself has been a monster BP/ Landrieu fan for years.

    Posted by  on  05/07  at  03:42 PM
  6. Photo credit:  the elusive J.L.

    So Jennifer Lopez seems to be like, your personal paparazzi or something. Dangeral!

    Posted by  on  05/07  at  05:11 PM
  7. Hey - I actually remember those posts from Slacktavist from way back when! Can’t remember how I found them (that is, which site I was at that linked to them), but I think actually multiple places I visited did. You weren’t one of them?

    He worships Satan, of course, and because I am a follower of Moloch we had a great deal to talk about.

    It would behoove you to remember that you worship Moloch only by the Grace of Gojira. Better keep the order of your deities in order, brother. Oh, and apparently “agnotology” hasn’t made it to Dictionary.com yet. Tsk, tsk. Your boy Proctor needs to upgrade his offerings to Satan in order to get that meme pushed.

    That photo is brutal. Just brutal. (I know, Mission Accomplished!) But if you’re really going to go there, here’s the standard to which your (fake) moustache can someday aspire.

    Posted by  on  05/07  at  05:37 PM
  8. It’s Mudcat Saunders Syndrome, and no, there is no cure—only reasonable accommodation.

    And, i am sure, ‘incrementalism’ we can sorta kinda believe in.

    I can almost hear it now, a new rap lyric that goes something like: I’m gonna go all P&G on your ass real soon.
    Which will be imbued with the notion that P&G is far far worse than S&W.

    Now to a sadder note: If the US is indeed committed to helping form a foundation for government renewal in Afghanistan, then it can only do so through multilateral cooperative efforts under NATO and the UN.  We must divorce ourselves from active, on-the-ground leadership of NATO and encourage other nations to engage equally with us.  Until then, it is a hopeless morass of murder and mayhem.

    That look is something out of porn covers of the 70s.

    Posted by  on  05/07  at  09:09 PM
  9. Few of the HuffPo or d-kos regs--the sort of Rich Puchawlsky eco-crat-- dared to raise their voice about Landrieu or BP.

    Hang on, Rich Puchalsky?  The guy who criticizes Obama’s bipartisanship fetish, and thinks that modern Republicans are the equivalent of Damien Thorn’s long-lost hate child?  He’s a big booster of oil companies and corrupt DINOs?  Huh.  That’s disappointing.  It’s just like the time I learned that christian h. is a consultant for the Orange County GOP and knows all the lyrics to “Onward Christian Soldiers.” And not for the obvious pun.

    Anyway, the Mudcat Saunders Effect has received ample play over recent AZ legislation.  At ObWi, it was considered conclusive refutation of anyone’s concerns by one of the resident Not A Troll But Arguing In Good Faith Despite Spouting Trite Republican Talking Points (NATBAIGFDSTRTP) folks.  None of us can truly understand, since we aren’t Arizonans.  Of course, when I pointed out that I spent part of my childhood in Arizona, and that my parents relocated from there a few months ago, I was ignored.  Similarly, I suspect that digby noting her Mississippi origins had little effect upon her accuser.

    And ignore the haters, Professor.  You totally rock that look.  One hundred percent chicka-wow chicka-wow wow.

    This one is for you, mds.  And no, I’m not in town now—this was taken sometime back in April.

    Of course you’re not in town now.  All I get anymore are the blog ripples of your past presence.  Sheesh, if I had known that my miserable people skills would blow up any chance to meet you, I would have dug up Dale Carnegie and worn his skin.  Now, now it’s too late.

    [SHEDS BITTER TEARS]

    Wait ... I don’t think that’s supposed to be physiologically possible.

    Posted by  on  05/07  at  11:50 PM
  10. Any sign of Tigerlily Jones while you were there?

    Posted by  on  05/08  at  05:38 AM
  11. Hey cool, you look like that cop who always wears the short shorts on RENO 911! smile

    Posted by  on  05/08  at  09:41 AM
  12. Hey cool, you look like that cop who always wears the short shorts on RENO 911!

    Yes, Lt. Dangle! But with his hair and mustache dyed to go undercover.

    Posted by  on  05/08  at  11:11 AM
  13. ltdangle.jpg border=0

    Posted by  on  05/08  at  11:22 AM
  14. That’s hilarious! Next time Facebook does it’s “Celebrity Doppleganger” series, we know who M.B. can post!

    Posted by  on  05/08  at  11:30 AM
  15. Just spotted at Michael’s favourite Quarterly: Alan “the Muslims are taking over” Johnson refers to the “excellent blog Harry’s place”. I wonder what it will take for the few remaining progressives writing for that rag to jump ship… would they write for any magazine that publishes racists like Johnson and Bright if that racism had been targeted and African Americans, or if they had repeatedly warned that Latinos are taking over America?

    Posted by  on  05/08  at  11:38 AM
  16. Also mds, my consulting work for the OC GOP is a form of what we trots call “deep entryism”.

    Posted by  on  05/08  at  11:39 AM
  17. Christian, I’m having trouble finding “the Muslims are taking over,” just as I had trouble finding “Gazans deserve to die” in a Michael Walzer search.  But I will tell you that Mark Engler, moderator of that FPIF forum on Afghanistan, has an essay in the current issue of Dissent and is therefore a racist.

    Posted by  on  05/08  at  12:02 PM
  18. On a related note, the Vancouver Canucks should be sent packing now, on the basis of their amateur-night performance in the second period of game 4.  Kudos to Daniel Sedin for giving away the game with not one but two childish penalties, and to Alexandre Burrows for trying to break Byfuglien’s neck during the ensuing PK and giving the Hawks a nice long five-on-three.  Appalling.  Even worse than the Flyers, really.

    Posted by  on  05/08  at  12:17 PM
  19. Oh I’m sorry, I meant to say that Alan Johnson is afraid of “Totalitarian Political Islam” (yes he capitalizes it) to take over. Which is, like, totally non-racist - I mean who would not agree that “...a major world religion (Islam) develops a uniquely political religion… [which] centuries ago, banned the reform and reinterpretation of itself and choked innovation and renewal out of Muslim lands...” (Democratiya Spring 2006). Who could possibly find anything remotely racist with that? Or with the contention made on the blog he praises (Harry’s place) that the structure of the Arabic language makes Arabs lie and dissemble? Not to mention Martin Bright’s crusade against Amnesty International for their opposition to torture even if the victim is an “Islamist”. 

    You can try to close your eyes to it, but there’s not much doubt that the Eustonite crowd Dissent joined with espouses strongly islamophobic views and has done so from the beginning. There’s no way in hell you or other genuine liberals would write for a magazine that publishes people who’ve expressed similar views about Jews or African Americans. So yeah, I’m disappointed that you would continue supporting the magazine and write for them.

    Posted by  on  05/08  at  01:01 PM
  20. mds @9 -Not A Troll But Arguing In Good Faith Despite Spouting Trite Republican Talking Points (NATBAIGFDSTRTP) folks.

    NATBAIGFDSTRTP - outstanding! Sounds like the perfect corollary to JAC-ing Off:

    JAQing off is the act of spouting accusations while cowardly hiding behind the claim of “Just Asking Questions”.[1] The strategy is to keep asking leading questions in an attempt to influence listeners’ views; the term is derived from the frequent claim by the denialist that they are “just asking questions”, albeit in a manner much the same as political push polls. It is often associated with denialism in general.

    Posted by  on  05/08  at  02:35 PM
  21. on the basis of their amateur-night performance in the second period of game 4

    It made me sick.  I concede to you sir, and the Hawks.  Now i must go and watch the Sharks and hope, against possible no hope, that they do come out victorious.

    I would guess that the preeminent JAC-OFF is Stephen Colbert.

    Posted by  on  05/08  at  09:35 PM
  22. Hang on, Rich Puchalsky?  The guy who criticizes Obama’s bipartisanship fetish, and thinks that modern Republicans are the equivalent of Damien Thorn’s long-lost hate child?  He’s a big booster of oil companies and corrupt DINOs?  Huh.

    No axe to grind really (and no secret copies of Elders of the Protocols of zion, unlike some around CT-land), BUT Rich P, like his crony Emerson, that legendary DINOcrat, got all of whack when someone (a troll, at that) alluded to some non-PC facts--such as DiDi Feinstein and her man Blum’s careers as war-criminals and profiteers (and tied to BP, and most big oil corps) on the level of Cheney ...but whatevs

    Posted by Ezra Hound  on  05/08  at  09:57 PM
  23. Not to belabor the point, but I believe we’ve covered both the Dangeral CWCWW Mustache and Celebrity Doppelgänger angles already here (click to enlarge for a real scare).

    Posted by Dave Maier  on  05/08  at  10:07 PM
  24. I would like to propose a minor amendment to “dangeral” in honor of Lt. Dangle:

    “Dangleral CWCWW Mustache.”

    Posted by  on  05/08  at  10:10 PM
  25. Gah - spyder, sorry for my typo in the link. I was in a hurry and it’s supposed to be JAQ-Off, with a “Q” as in “Questions”. Obviously, my brain went automatically to the standard chicka-wow spelling instead. And I agree - Colbert is the risen God for the JAQ-Offs. It’s ever so convenient for them to look to him not as a comedian, but as a example of how to conduct serious intellectual inquiry.

    As of right now, (end of the 1st period) no score in the Sharks-Wings game, with Sharks out-shooting the Wings 15-6. And here we go…

    captcha: shot. Too bad it’s not “net”.

    Posted by  on  05/08  at  10:55 PM
  26. what we trots call “deep entryism”.

    Chicka-Wow Chicka-Wow Wow!

    And cut Dissent a little slack.  At least they haven’t published an article sort-of implying that Trotsky and/or his posse might not have been completely honest about the Hotel Bristol, the way Cultural Logic did in their 2008 issue.  Now there’s apparently a real casus belli for intra-Left warfare!

    Meanwhile, per Lord High Waterfowl Maier’s link, I hope someone is even now Photoshop(TM)ping “Well, I guess I am a rather interesting man” onto the Fashionista shot above.

    NATBAIGFDSTRTP - outstanding!

    Somehow, I suspected you might approve, Ms. Girl.  The question I always ask myself when coining terms is, WWWAAGNFNPD?

    Posted by  on  05/08  at  11:29 PM
  27. what we trots call “deep entryism”.

    Chicka-Wow Chicka-Wow Wow!

    mds - I was wondering if you were gonna “hit” that or not.
    CWCWW.

    Somehow, I suspected you might approve, Ms. Girl.  The question I always ask myself when coining terms is, WWWAAGNFNPD?

    Excellent.

    mrburnsdg9.jpg

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  12:06 AM
  28. Now i must go and watch the Sharks and hope, against possible no hope, that they do come out victorious.

    Sharks win!
    I was going to make a snarky Obama-related remark about “Hope”, but I won’t ruin the moment.

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  12:38 AM
  29. And cut Dissent a little slack.

    No. They’ve merged with a bunch of islamophobic buffoons. One of the new guys’ (Martin Bright) regular gig is at the Spectator, for Christ’s sake. What’s next - hire Mel Phillips as executive editor? The magazine has always been a mix of anti-communism, occasional red-baiting and full-throated support for Zionism, albeit with smart writing. It’s just stunning to me that actual liberals close to it, like Michael, refuse to criticise this latest move, however. I’m just hoping it’s out of a false sense of loyalty, not because they agree with Johnson, Bright and the others.

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  02:25 AM
  30. Aside from all the analytic scrutiny of evangelical stupidity or malice, the greed of rival competitors or the relative moral posture of people disillusioned by an otherwise dismal prospect of existential mediocrity, I’m more inclined to conclude that P&G successfully reinforced and consolidated its own product loyalty in a PR campaign reminiscent of, or precedent to, Coke’s classic “Coke classic” campaign.

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  02:26 AM
  31. you live in one of those decadent out-of-touch chardonnay-sipping places

    Why drink Chardonnay when our reds are so exquisite.  And thus i raise a glass to the Sharks for doing that thing that they haven’t done so well.  And can only hope that the Canucks can at least play a whole three periods without stumbling around on the ice giving goals away. 

    I’m more inclined to conclude that P&G successfully reinforced and consolidated its own product loyalty in a PR campaign

    Beginning with “pure as the driven snow” featuring Marilyn Chambers on the covers of Ivory Snow.  BTW what is this about Lindsey Lohan (the Judy Garland of her {and our} day) scheduled to star in a bio-pic as Linda Lovelace?

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  10:32 AM
  32. I admit I’m getting a wee bit worried about you, Christian.  This is now the second time you’ve gone on this OT rant about how PEOPLE I DONT LIKE WRITE FOR TEH DISSENT RAG (the first time was on a CT thread about Charles Krauthammer, for Moloch’s sake), and here you’re accusing me not only of guilt by association (that old gambit) but also of closing my eyes to the work of people whose work I actually haven’t read (but I’m reading that Johnson essay now, and have to say that I don’t think it’s racist to condemn radical Islamism any more than it’s racist to condemn far-right Christian militias).  Comment 29 reads like ”Dissent was always shit but now it’s really really shite,” so my sense is that you didn’t like it very much before Democratiya came along either.

    But here’s the important thing.  One way I know that my wing of the left is just half a tad saner than whatever left Christian claims is that no one has ever tried to give me grief about the fact that I’ve occasionally written for the Nation, home of Alexander “Afghans deserve to die” and “global warming is a liberal hoax” Cockburn.*
    _______

    * No, really, these are much better “shorters” for Cockburn than Christian’s attempt to pretend that Michael Walzer has ever written anything so vile as “Gazans deserve to die.” Compare:

    Walzer:

    There cannot be any direct attacks on civilian targets (even if the enemy doesn’t believe in the existence of civilians), and this principle is a major constraint also on attacks on the economic infrastructure. Writing about the first Iraq war, in 1991, I argued that the U.S. decision to attack “communication and transportation systems, electric power grids, government buildings of every sort, water pumping stations and purification plants” was wrong. “Selected infrastructural targets are easy enough to justify: bridges over which supplies are carried to the army in the field provide an obvious example. But power and water ... are very much like food: they are necessary to the survival and everyday activity of soldiers, but they are equally necessary to everyone else. An attack here is an attack on civilian society. ... [I]t is the military effects, if any, that are ‘collateral.’” That was and is a general argument; it clearly applies to the Israeli attacks on power stations in Gaza and Lebanon.

    Cockburn:

    We all have to go one day, but pray God let it not be over Afghanistan. An unspeakable country filled with unspeakable people, sheepshaggers and smugglers, who have furnished in their leisure hours some of the worst arts and crafts ever to penetrate the occidental world.  I yield to none in my sympathy to those prostrate beneath the Russian jackboot, but if ever a country deserved rape it’s Afghanistan. Nothing but mountains filled with barbarous ethnics with views as medieval as their muskets, and unspeakably cruel too . . .

    And yet I keep giving money to the Nation every year.  Have I no shame?

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  11:34 AM
  33. Now to matters closer to home.

    Go Sharks!  Congrats, O-Girl and all WAAGNFNP Shark fans everywhere!  From now on, this humble blog will always ask itself, WWJPD: what would Joe Pavelski do?

    And spyder, I thought you’d seen the light @ 21, and had given up on the thugs from B.C.?  But @ 31 it looks like you’re giving in to Canuck recidivism.  Resist, man, resist!

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  11:48 AM
  34. Though to give Joe Thornton his due, it appears that he has shown up in May for the first time ever.  Coming up big in the big spot!  It took a while, but it’s always good to see.

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  11:50 AM
  35. Ah be honest Doc Berube--yr upset that Christian’s ruining yr snark-par-tay with like, mere facts.  Sort of what Counterpunch does to much of blogland.

    Cockburn and Co are to be found at Counterpunch--not so much at the Nation, since his protestations of Comrade Al Gore and his flick about the polar bear crisis (and ye olde hockey stick) disturbed the Nation-sters...for that matter skepticism in regard to aspects of AGW (ie the CO2 to warming claim) does not equal denialism...(of course Al Gore, who managed like C-’s in Physics for Dixiecrats knows more about climate than, say, Freeman Dyson, Princeton physicist)

    Posted by Ezra Hound  on  05/09  at  12:28 PM
  36. Given this post doesn’t really have a topic I’d think accusations of being “OT” are a wee bit strange. But whatever. It is disconcerting that you refuse to even notice that Johnson asserts that “Totalitarian Political Islam” is a necessary consequence of the cultural development of the Muslim world - an act of essentializing if ever there was one. If Johnson had been talking about “Jewish Bolsheviks” you would (rightly) not be trying some lame defence ("well some Bolsheviks are Jews after all and look at what they did in the Red Terror").

    As for Cockburn (who I’m not at all a fan of as you well know), the difference is that you’ve written a lot of stuff criticizing him. While when it comes to Dissent your knee-jerk reaction is being defensive.

    I am not “accusing [you] of guilt by association”. I have made perfectly clear that I do not think you share Johnson’s, Bright’s (or anyone else’s for that matter) politics. I am merely criticising your continuing support for - refusal to entertain any criticism of - a publication whose editorial line apparently shares those politics as evidenced by the fact they didn’t simply let these people write for them, but actually merged their publications (which btw is very different from the relationship between the Nation and Cockburn who is obviously an outlier in that journal).

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  01:56 PM
  37. Johnson asserts that “Totalitarian Political Islam” is a necessary consequence of the cultural development of the Muslim world

    Yeah, I think he’s wrong about that.  I also think he’s wrong to sign onto Paul Berman’s account of radical Islamism, which I have indeed criticized in the past (and in The Left at War, too).  But when you open with “how can any self-respecting liberal write for that rag,” you should probably expect a defensive response.  Anyway, I know you’re no fan of Cockburn—my point is simply that I’m OK with writing for places on the left that publish people with whom I disagree.  But right now I’m reading this, and I’m not coming away convinced that Alan Johnson is the real enemy.

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  03:05 PM
  38. One fave tactic of centrist-liberals seems to be cherry-picking a few older quotes to skewer a writer one doesn’t care for. Cockburn may be a bit conclusionary and non-PC at times, even an a**hole, but he (like most of the Counterpunch homies) has not wavered in his support of labor and environmental issues, and his opposition to US corporate imperialism (including AIPACism).

    A recent piece on volcanoes and climate “modelling”:

    “"”Contrast the demonstrated impossibility of computer modeling the simple downwind dispersion of a plume from a single smokestack or volcano with the mind boggling scientific hubris of trying to model the climate of the entire globe.

    Here we start with endlessly faulty data – from instruments parked on urban “heat islands” to severely massaged data bases of daily temperature readings, from sketchy numbers for the vast reaches of the planet where there are almost no readings, to purging of decades of inconvenient data. Then these are meshed with models constructed around bad thermodynamics, baseless suppositions about the hugely dominant heat effects of water vapor and clouds, and hopelessly inaccurate quantifications of carbon uptake by the earth’s forests and oceans.

    Nearly...Popperian, and a bit weightier than the usual CT fare-- ie “why we sort of don’t care for jonah goldberg, or catholics” etc.

    Posted by Ezra Hound  on  05/09  at  03:28 PM
  39. Hey. Leave Mudcat Sanders alone.

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  03:52 PM
  40. Um, denying anthropogenic global warming is wavering on environmental issues.  You might as well say “X is a steadfast supporter of science, except that he believes that vaccines cause autism.”

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  04:12 PM
  41. Ezra Hound - you should be aware that Dyson, a great scientist in his prime, has in his dotage become a kook.  He believes, for example, in ESP.  He also thinks that evolution sucks and the world will be a better place when we get rid of it and replace naturally evolved species with human-managed species creation.  His proposal to end global warming is that we replace all the natural trees in the Amazon rain-forest with genetically modified trees that will store carbon more efficiently.  Also he thinks we can put big reflectors in low earth orbit.  These, he thinks, are more practical solutions to AGW than using less fossil fuel.  You remember Linus Pauling?  Like that.

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  04:18 PM
  42. I’m not defending Cockburn across the board--he would have done better taking a skeptical POV--ie the facts are not all in-- rather than table-pounding denial, yet some of researchers/scientists he linked to (in his feud with Monbiot...google for phunn!) had sound reasons for doubting the GoreCo/IPCC readings of AGW.

    The eco-crat who has drank the AGW koolaid as it were considers any and all who object to the Gore/Mann/IPCC line nazis, more or less--also inaccurate (see Denis Rancourt’s site...gauchiste who doesn’t buy the official AGW line. or McIntyre). Even Crichton’s points from State of Fear regard to faulty/misleading data-- and the lack of verification re man-made CO2 to warming claim--remain relevant (ie does Al Gore know “margin of error” from his Occidental pension? unlikely).

    Posted by Ezra Hound  on  05/09  at  04:46 PM
  43. Cockburn is completely wrong on global warming. He’s also just increasingly a crank, and last I checked (some time ago) was ruining Counterpunch by giving space to reactionaries just because they are critical of Israel based on some invented “US national interest”, and even (at least for a time) to outright anti-Semites of the Israel Shamir (self-styled Swedish-Russian “ex-Jew") school. On that count, he’s just as willing to ally himself with right-wing forces to achieve liberation as the liberal internationalists with their dream of using the armies of the Empire for that purpose are. And he’s just as wrong to do it.

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  04:59 PM
  44. Michael: well we’ll have to once again agree to disagree. I think there’s being wrong, and then there’s being wrong. Johnson’s writing is, in my opinion, racist in the same way the “Bolshevism is a consequence of Jewish culture” theories were. The opinions he and his political friends espouse are also not merely academic, they have very real impacts - much more so than Awlaki for that matter. The people being blown to bits in Afghanistan, in Yemen, in Somalia, in Lebanon or Gaza or the West Bank are just as real as the people in New York. 

    Johnson is not simply being published by Dissent, his magazine merged with it. I would not write for a magazine that embraces racist theories as part of its editorial line.

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  05:10 PM
  45. 43: so, in effect you’re saying all the temp data is good (even from like pre-40s, when it was mostly guesswork, as is the ice-core data), Al Gore (who has pocketed millions from his AGW flick) can be trusted, minute traces of non-toxic CO2 always result in warming, and the research showing cooling trends over last 10 years is mistaken. 

    Other people (including princeton and Harvard physicists--not “modellers") say...the facts are not all in, margins are an issue, the lab work not completed--some warming over last few decades (assuming global temp data is accurate...hah) does not establish man-made CO2 was the culprit, whatsoever.  It’s not a consensus, nor does real science proceed via consensus--except according to Gorebots/IPCC and DNC. 

    The other anti-AIPAC stuff that Cockburn writes on rather entertaining, even if not always in agreement--not exactly Salon or Slate (or the PC-cafe of CT, unfogged, d-kos, etc). And the Counterpunchers call for war-crimes charges against Feinstein and Uberregent Blum--pricelesss.

    Posted by Ezra Hound  on  05/09  at  05:23 PM
  46. Resist, man, resist!

    Resistance is futile, i am a hopeless hoper. 

    Wow, this thread certainly danced in several directions all at once.  Just a quick score keeping:

    christian doesn’t like Dissent nor most of its writers, nor does he like Cockburn for similar gross inconsistencies. 

    Michael doesn’t mind a few of the Dissent writers, likes the Nation (as do i) and is in favor of reading through crap as a means to analyze deeper issues

    Ezra doesn’t like Cockburn (except when he is anti-Gore), likes Counterpunch especially the work of Jeffrey St. Clair and those who support anti-imperialism (me too again).

    Bloix suggests that as we age we become more “diverse” thinkers and pretty mushed up

    skahammer supports Mudcat Sanders.

    Does that sound about right, or am i missing anything?

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  08:51 PM
  47. And for Oaktown Girl:  Dallas Braden!!

    Apparently Dallas didn’t listen to A-rod and rejected the notion of having the Braden 15 minutes of fame and be gone.  Today he pitched a perfect game against the Rays.

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  08:55 PM
  48. spyder - yes, how sweet it is! And the Rays have been killer on the road, to boot.

    And boy is the A’s ownership pissed. They’ve been doing everything they can for the past few years to make the A’s as sucky as possible, and make attending games at the Coliseum as miserable as possible (like taking away the TV’s at the concession stands so you can’t keep watching the game while you stand in line). They’re doing this to further depress attendance (already low not due to lack of interest, but because of the economy and folks are dead broke) so they have an excuse to move the team. It’s all very sad.

    But at least on this day, a reason to celebrate!

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  09:23 PM
  49. spyder asks: “Does that sound about right, or am i missing anything?”

    If you are wondering, I have enjoyed the recent coverage of the Pakistani fellow who tried to blow up Times Square with the wrong kind of fertilizer. He is an example of the gross inconsistencies that characterize American society: one day a friendly homeowner and financial analyst, and the next day a guy who wants to send the Lion King into the next dimension.

    I oppose Islamophobia (or whatever it is that christian h is on about), but with folks like Faisal running around, it is hard not to condemn radical extremism of this nature.

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  09:32 PM
  50. Does that sound about right, or am i missing anything?

    [SHEDS FURTHER BITTER TEARS]

    Sharks win!
    I was going to make a snarky Obama-related remark about “Hope”, but I won’t ruin the moment.

    Much appreciated, Ms. Girl.  Otherwise, despite no actual time on the ice, or any evidence of dedication to the rules of hockey, Elena Kagan will be awarded the Stanley Cup.

    It’s just stunning to me that actual liberals close to it, like Michael, refuse to criticise this latest move, however. I’m just hoping it’s out of a false sense of loyalty, not because they agree with Johnson, Bright and the others.

    ... for (i=10; i <= 1; i--)

    Gosh, I hope so too.  I wasn’t seriously asking you to cut Dissent slack, so much as making a reference to internecine warfare amongst Marxists, to which I found myself recently re-exposed in the context of the Hotel Bristol.  But the above passage is just a wee bit much.  Whenever I see all that energy focused on imputing bad faith to other stretches of the left spectrum, I remove the safety from my icepick.

    one day a friendly homeowner and financial analyst, and the next day a guy who wants to send the Lion King into the next dimension.

    You left out the days in between with US drones blowing up suspected terrorists inside Pakistan. Possibly also a day watching murderous little weasel Bibi Netanyahu publicly telling the Leader of the Free World(TM) to shut up and send the next $3 billion in annual aid while he carries on bulldozing Palestinians, and getting away with it.  Despite its popularity, the theory that Shahzad woke up one morning and thought, “Huh.  As a Muslim, I should probably be bombing some infidels, shouldn’t I?” is not a plausible one.  So yes, Professor h. has a point, even if it’s been ground into buckshot and dispersed indiscriminately into a crowd of liberals.

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  10:34 PM
  51. mds says:
    “You left out the days in between with US drones blowing up suspected terrorists inside Pakistan. Possibly also a day watching murderous little weasel Bibi Netanyahu publicly telling the Leader of the Free World(TM) to shut up and send the next $3 billion in annual aid while he carries on bulldozing Palestinians, and getting away with it.”

    Be that as it may, I don’t understand guys like Shahzad. The US drones blow up suspected terrorists, so he opts to blow up suspected tourists? There are at least four letters of separation between terrorist and tourist.

    But my other suspicion about this misguided fellow is that the US economy is what failed him, as opposed to international politics. I think the issue is less about Islamophobia and more about the failings of the market. That’s just a hunch, but I don’t think Marx can help us here.

    BTW, I am not usually scared of Islamic people, except when they set bombs in the city where I live… smile

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  10:52 PM
  52. I had a chance to view the elusive, the enigmatic Janet L, but then her panel was mysteriously canceled.  I traveled all the way to State College to no avail.  Drat!  Foiled again.

    Posted by  on  05/09  at  11:45 PM
  53. i am a hopeless hoper.

    The hopeless hoper gets one more chance as Canucks almost shutout the Hawks.  Go Canucks.... and Sharks

    Posted by  on  05/10  at  02:05 AM
  54. I think that killing people is bad.

    I also think that stereotyping and racism are bad.

    I think that you are not allowed to kill civilians.

    And the rest is footnotes. What about if we stereotype a group containing billions of people because some of them are killers? What if some of them killed some of use first? What if you have to kill a bunch of civilians with a flying killer robot in order to get the five killers in the middle? (Kind of a reverse Sodom-and-Gomorrah thing, there).

    What about all those times when the would-be killer is a right-wing white American Dominionist terrorist; do we assume all white American evangelicals are killers? (I know, I know . . . .)

    Sometimes you have to step out of the terms of internecine debate and remember basic ideas.

    Posted by  on  05/10  at  08:41 AM
  55. Ezra doesn’t like Cockburn (except when he is anti-Gore), likes Counterpunch especially the work of Jeffrey St. Clair and those who support anti-imperialism (me too again).

    I respect Alex C’s writing (and St Clair, etc), tho’ I imagine he’s as corrupt as most in the journalism biz. There are sort of interesting issues raised by the AGW problem as well(theoretical as some league ivy snobs might say)--at times, progressives and leftists must deal with something like ...verification (not merely ideology), not to say the scientific establishment.  At least Cockburn and crew draw upon some knowledgable people for global warming or economics-- breaking party lines at times--and don’t ala french postmodernists explain away a serious problem with some 20 pages of quasi-Hegelian gobbledly-gook (then, Hegel himself was not an anti-realist in regard to science...). Jean Bricmont, physicist, and sword-wielding foe of PoMo-Co, appears on CP at times--. Maybe we ask Bricmont about AGW.

    At any rate, even granting some AGW (most likely regional phenonema, like Copenhagen harbor, Seattle, etc) Gore’s flick was not good science, but corporate-sponsored do-gooderism.

    Posted by Ezra Hound  on  05/10  at  11:01 AM
  56. "Coincidence, or … Satan?”

    Satan plays for the Bruins.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/09/sports/baseball/09bruins.html?ref=hockey

    “Satan, who has a pointy goatee and arched eyebrows, said other N.H.L. teams were interested in him, but he wanted to join a playoff contender that was coached, as he said, by a staff he could trust.”

    Posted by Pete  on  05/10  at  11:17 AM
  57. Does that sound about right, or am i missing anything?

    I notice no one in this thread has condemned the burning of kittens. Your silence indicates your complicity.

    (I enjoyed the slacktivist pieces very much, because they confirmed my sense of how the world works.)

    Posted by  on  05/10  at  04:45 PM
  58. I notice no one in this thread has condemned the burning of kittens.

    We are all incrementalists for reasonable accomodations now.

    Posted by  on  05/10  at  11:20 PM
  59. I had a chance to view the elusive, the enigmatic Janet L, but then her panel was mysteriously canceled.

    Hmm, by the way, how did this whole “elusive Janet Lyon” thing get started?

    I notice no one in this thread has condemned the burning of kittens.

    “The United States does not burn kittens.”

    [New executive order authorizes adding 100,000 kittens annually to the Strategic Kitten Burning Reserve.]

    Posted by  on  05/12  at  09:25 AM
  60. Wow, this thread certainly danced in several directions all at once.

    It has, but not even burning kittens or “why I hate Alex Cockburn” approaches the nausea-level of bad CT threads, like a John Holblo bloviating on what he takes to be judicial review. Hoblo-speak, i.e., to Holbo, or pejoratively, Holblo, Hole-blo: to speak at length in pompous, bombastic and/or quasi-philosophical language about things one has little or no understanding of.

    Posted by Ezra Hound  on  05/12  at  02:59 PM
  61. Someone is using comments I made on an old April post called “Brief Ranger Update” to phish me. I don’t know if this is something you can do anything about but thought you might like to know. The entry involved some dumb play by Sandis O.

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